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Hi - the non-resident BSN number is issued to people who work in Holland, but do not live there (i.e. do live in another country, typically cross-border workers); generally issued to allow your Dutch employer to deduct the taxes from your salary and claim any benefits/pension you may be entitled to from working there.  They are also issued to non-residents coming to work in Holland for a short period of time, so they can register/pay for health insurance.

If you live in Holland, you get a normal BSN; you use the address where you are living when you register, if you later move, then you just let the Gemeente know your new address.

Hi there,

Hoping you can help me with some advice please.

I have a temporary BSN which I received on 1st August. I am currently living in an apartment where registration is not possible. I have a current employment contract.

Do I have to move into a new place where registration is possible from 1st Dec?

What will happen if I continue to live at my current address, continue to work, but fail to update my registration to a dutch address from Dec 1st?

Thanks for this!

Hi and welcome to the Forum.

If you can't register where you currently live, then you will have to move to a place where you can.

I'm puzzled as to how you registered where you currently are as the requirements for a temporary BSN are identical to a permanent one.

If you're caught, you can be deported, but they will probably give you a chance to find a new place first.

Hope this helps.

Cynic
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Thanks for the speedy reply and advice, I am grateful.

I will explain a bit more:

I am here on a Working Holiday Permit. I have a temporary registration to an address in Australia as I only expected to stay until December. I then took a new work contract that extends until Feb.

I will find a new place to live where I can register during December, but am worried that my 4 month temporary registration will expire before I move house.

Thanks again for your help!

Hi again.

Thanks for the further information.  However, it doesn't change my response, there are no special arrangements that permit anybody to live in a place that is not permitted for residency.  If the reason that you can't register is that the address is already at maximum occupancy, then you will have to move out.

Hope this helps.

Cynic
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Hello

I have just been excepted  for job in a company in Amsterdam and they requested me to get my BSN Number so that they can make my work contact . For temporary I am staying in my boyfriends house. On the upcoming Monday I will be  visiting the municipality office to apply for a temporary BSN Number in RNI.

MY QUESTION is  if I can get a temporary BSN Number right away on monday, can my employer make a work contract for a year with this temporary BSN Number ?

2.  If yes then can I get a normal BSN Number ones I move to Amsterdam in January and submit my house contract in Amsterdam municipality office and convert from temporary BSN into BSN Number?

3. Also  will I get a temporary BSN Number on the same day of registration?

4. Do I have to make any appointment in RNI for applying for Temporary BSN ? Or can I just work in ?

Hi and welcome to the Forum.

I think you may have misunderstood the system.  The RNI is for temporary/transient workers in the Netherlands; for example, you work for a German company that has a contract in Amsterdam, this contract requires you to be on-site daily and live temporarily in the Netherlands, so you need a BSN number to register at the doctors, maybe hire a car, open a local bank account.  Not all Gemeente operate a RNI, they put everybody on the same database.

How the system works is you have 5 working days from the date you arrive in the Netherlands to make an appointment with the Gemeente; currently, because of Covid, the appointment may take a lot longer to happen, sometimes 4 to 5 weeks after your call.

You can register from any address as long as you have the permission of the landlord to live there.

A BSN number is a BSN number, there is no difference between a temporary one and a permanent version; the only difference is where your record sits on the database.

You don't have to have a BSN number in order for your employer to write your contract; many employers are used to this and they just treat you as a worker with no tax benefits until your BSN is sorted.

Officially, when you register, your details are then passed on to the Gemeente department where they issue your DigiD (it's how people in the Netherlands communicate with the local and national government), you then get a formal letter acknowledging your registration and giving you your BSN and DigiD with log-in details, this can take weeks, particularly with Covid causing many civil servants to work from home.  My advice would be to ask the person who registers you to let you know your BSN (it's on the screen in front of them), so you can pass it on to your boss.

Hope this helps.

Cynic
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Hello
I registered my temporary bsn in january 2021 but I was working here until the end of the year by agencies. Am I supposed to make a new bsn number? Just because my old one was good everywhere as far as i know but I’m registrated to an outdated address. I have to fix this because I need Digi ID urgently.

Hi and welcome to the Forum.

Just go to your new Gemeente and register your new address; you'll get your DigiD in the post a few weeks after you do it.  You will keep your old BSN number.

Hope this helps.

Cynic
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Hello,

I am brasilian and I am living in Italy because of my citizenship request. I dont get it yet. Im already in Netherlands, and I get a temporary BSN. Can I have a job during this time? I already have a bank account here too. My friends, in the same situation were able to made a registration in the HLPRS and it was accepted. So, can I have a job in a restaurant during this 4 months, while I wait my documents from Italy? Thank you so much!

Hello,
I am brasilian and I am living in Italy because of my citizenship request. I dont get it yet. Im already in Netherlands, and I get a temporary BSN. Can I have a job during this time? I already have a bank account here too. My friends, in the same situation were able to made a registration in the HLPRS and it was accepted. So, can I have a job in a restaurant during this 4 months, while I wait my documents from Italy? Thank you so much!
-@felice13

Hi and welcome to the Forum.

I don't know your circumstances and on paper, they should not have done what they did, but they've done it and it's not my place to comment otherwise.

HLPRS are an Agency that helps people (mainly employers) find temporary help, be it home cleaner or whatever.  I don't know if they pay your healthcare insurance or your taxes.

My advice would be to go to the IND, check your status and then tell the Gemeente to switch you from the temporary database to the permanent one.

Good luck

Cynic

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Is there any other option if my RNI expires in 4 month and I am not able to find the  apartment with registration. Right now I am hoping in to temporary accommodations without registration.

Is there any other option if my RNI expires in 4 month and I am not able to find the apartment with registration. Right now I am hoping in to temporary accommodations without registration.
-@Aditi1566

Hi and welcome to the Forum.

RNI is a temporary registration, but BSN numbers do not expire.  If you fail to meet all the requirements, they can ask you to leave the country, so go to the Gemeente and tell them you are staying permanently, you have work and are still looking for somewhere to live that will permit registration, then ask that they move your registration to the permanent database.

I hope this helps.

Cynic

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For rni so you need official permission from the landlord? Can you use an apartment temporarily despite it having max occupants?

Hi ,

we temporarily host someone with RNI till they find their own registered place. What happens if 4 months of RNI pass without progress of finding a register place and they are still in this temporary addresses (our apartment)? does our landlord get notified that there is someone unregistered using the Apartment as temporary address?

    Hi ,
we temporarily host someone with RNI till they find their own registered place. What happens if 4 months of RNI pass without progress of finding a register place and they are still in this temporary addresses (our apartment)? does our landlord get notified that there is someone unregistered using the Apartment as temporary address?
   

    -@Shou123

Hi and welcome to the Forum.

I'm assuming that your guests have actually registered on the RNI.  If so, your landlord should already know (he will have provided a written permission for them to stay and the Gemeente belasting will have gone up).

Unless their residence permit says otherwise, your guests will not be unregistered after 4 months, if it does expire, then my advice would be for them to contact the Gemeente now and notify them of the difficulty they are having and request an extension.

I hope this helps.

Cynic

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Hi !

I arrived in the Netherlands and received a BSN number as a non-resident. I have since accepted a jobe offer and I am now looking for a permanent apartment.

I understand that the BSN number does not change when you make the change from non-resident to permanent resident. However, will this affect filling in my document such as my income tax documents ?

My current Airbnb does not allow a registration. I am sure I will find accommodation in time, but I don't want this to affect my current job offer. At this point i am just petrified they rescind the offer.

Thank you for any help !

    Hi !
I arrived in the Netherlands and received a BSN number as a non-resident. I have since accepted a jobe offer and I am now looking for a permanent apartment.

I understand that the BSN number does not change when you make the change from non-resident to permanent resident. However, will this affect filling in my document such as my income tax documents ?

My current Airbnb does not allow a registration. I am sure I will find accommodation in time, but I don't want this to affect my current job offer. At this point i am just petrified they rescind the offer.

Thank you for any help !
   

    -@Sabrina Filipe

Hi and welcome to the Forum.

You're an EU (Portuguese) citizen and have the right to live and work anywhere in the EU.  My advice would be to notify the Gemeente of your change in status,  and that you will notify them of your change of address once you have sorted that out - they should understand, you're not the only person struggling to find somewhere to live.  Your employer will pay your taxes direct to the Belastingdienst (); if you're in any doubt, then give them a call.

I hope this helps.

Cynic

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@Cynic hey i know this comment was so long ago, hopefully you still get to respond or anyone lol.

So i live in the US but i wanted to go to the netherlands for the 90 day period but i wanted to work. i did my research and for me to be able to work obviously i would need an rni. so my question is if i technically dont have an address, how does that work? will they need an address at all?

    @Cynic hey i know this comment was so long ago, hopefully you still get to respond or anyone lol.
So i live in the US but i wanted to go to the netherlands for the 90 day period but i wanted to work. i did my research and for me to be able to work obviously i would need an rni. so my question is if i technically dont have an address, how does that work? will they need an address at all?
   

    -@Destinitogba0

Hi and welcome to the Forum.

The Schengen visa allows you to "do business" work while you're in the Netherlands; this will take you to the Dutch Government website, where you can begin the process.  But, that doesn't mean you can work for a Dutch company while you are there.  So, if your boss is sending you over from the USA for some meetings, or a course, or to help with an existing project, that's fine - you can do that with your Schengen visa, plus you can travel between other Schengen signatory countries ().

If you want to get a job with a Dutch company, then no, that is not OK.  You only need to register on the RNI if you need access to things like a bank account, pay Dutch taxes, health insurance, register a car etc; not all Gemeente's offer RNI services.  If you want to live and work in the Netherlands, then you need to apply for a Dutch permit ().

If you just need to log on your laptop and pick up your work emails from your US job, then nobody is going to get too excited about it.

To answer your specific question, yes, you need an address where you are living to register, the landlord has to agree to registering from his address.  You can only register once you have arrived in the Netherlands.

I hope this helps.

Cynic

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Hello!
I'm from Austria and I would start a 6-month internship in February and the company is asking me for my BSN. I've been trying to find a place to stay that allows for registration, however, without any luck.
I texted with Netherlands Worldwide and told them about my situation and they said that I could first work with the RNI and notify them once I found a place that allows for proper registration. What if I fail after 4 months? Could I ask them for an extension for 2 more months? Will they fine me? As far as I understood, my BSN number would not change. Will my company get any problems if I fail to properly register after 4 months? Or will it get notified?
Thanks in advance! - @akation90

Hi and welcome to the Forum,

You can't get a BSN until you actually live in the Netherlands and make your appointment with the Gemeente to register (BSN is the product of that meeting), whether they place you on the normal register or on the RNI is entirely up to the Gemeente, not all of them operate an RNI (RNI is for people who do not live permanently in the Netherlands).

An internship is only for 6 months, after which you will either go home and nobody will be that bothered as you're going home, or perhaps you get a job offer and then have to go through the normal work visa system and you will have to find somewhere to live that permits registration; if you can't find anywhere in those circumstances, then perhaps living in the Netherlands is not for you.

You should be aware that you will have no recourse to the Dutch state during your visit, so things like medical insurance are entirely your responsibility.

I hope this helps.

Cynic

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@Cynic Hello Cynic, thank you for your answer!As advised by the Contact Centre of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs in The Netherlands, I have already made an appointment at a RNI municipality already some time ago (which will be soon). The staff from the Contact Centre told me that in the beginning of my internship, I could just get by with the BSN from the RNI, and once I find a place that allows for registration, then get registered in the BRN (which should happen within these 4 months).I already have temporary accommodation, but it doesn't allow for registration. My question is though what will happen if I can't find a place that allows for registration after staying for 4 months in the Netherlands? I would still have 2 months left.Can I ask at the RNI municipality for an extension of 2 more months?Will I get a fine?Will my company be notified if I'm still using the same BSN? Or get problems if they submit the same BSN? (=Will it be invalid after 4 months if I don't get registered in the BRP?)And yes, I would be going back to my home country after my internship.I hope I expressed myself a bit more clearly now, thank you so much for your help! - @akation90

Hi again.

A BSN is a BSN, is a BSN; it is your unique identifier, a number, there is no difference between the BSN you get from the routine database, to the one you get from the RNI, the only difference is the name of the database.  BSN is the link to your identity on the national database, so, will generally contain your name and address with details of your:

1. Proof of accommodation: A rental agreement or other proof of accommodation
2. Valid passport: A valid passport for the intern
3. Internship agreement: A signed internship agreement or contract
4. Health insurance: Valid health insurance in the Netherlands
5. Proof of financial means: Proof of financial means
6. Letter of acceptance: A letter of acceptance from the Dutch host company or institution

This is a general list, that all adult residents in the Netherlands are required to provide, your Gemeente may require more or less information depending on your status, they will confirm what is required when you make your appointment.  Landlords who do not give permission for registration are generally regarded as potentially avoiding Gemeente Belasting (local taxes) and if they do not provide the proof of accommodation, then your address will not be accepted, and you will not get on any database (RNI or BRP).

Interns do not generally go on the BRP, they are students and not regarded as workers/permanent residents in the Netherlands, as students you are not regarded as workers in the sense of requiring a work type permit, there is generally a letter of acceptance between you, the place of internship and your university.  My own opinion is that unless you get into any trouble, nobody is going to get too fussed about you staying an extra 2 months, my advice would be to make an appointment to notify the Gemeente (basically to tell them you still have not found somewhere to live and to ask for an extension), then send them an e-mail when you leave (to de-register).

To answer your specific questions:

1. what will happen if I can't find a place that allows for registration after staying for 4 months in the Netherlands? I would still have 2 months left.  Unless you're in trouble, not much, I wouldn't worry about it, the Politie will not be banging on your door because your landlord is not being helpful.  You're an EU citizen and have the right to live and work in the Netherlands; that said, this is a registration matter you are not the first person to experience this problem and at the end of the day, are not regarded as a worker for a Dutch registered company in the Netherlands.
2. Can I ask at the RNI municipality for an extension of 2 more months?  Yes.
3. Will I get a fine? You can only be fined if you break the law, some of these fines can be levied on the spot (driving offences are a typical example of this), you are doing all you can to not break the law, I wouldn't worry about it
4. Will my company be notified if I'm still using the same BSN? Or get problems if they submit the same BSN? (=Will it be invalid after 4 months if I don't get registered in the BRP?).  No.  Your company will not be notified about any of your personal information.  A BSN is for life, you will not get a new one if you move from one database to another or to another company, the onus is on you to provide the information your employer may ask for.  The only reason your company would need to use your BSN is to pay your taxes and payroll contributions for other mandatory worker taxes; interns are not regarded as workers in this sense.  Who knows, perhaps the company where you are interning  have a process that requires a BSN, my advice would be to ask them

Your employer has no input on where you live, so cannot be held responsible should you fail in finding somewhere suitable to live, that's all down to you.

I hope this helps.

Cynic

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A general point.  Registration is a fact of life for all who are staying in the Netherlands for more than 4 months.  If you are coming to the Netherlands, knowing you intend to stay for more than 4 months, then you have 5 days from arrival to make an appointment at the Gemeente and to provide the information I've described above.  The fact you have 5 days does not infer that you will get an appointment within 5 days, during Covid it was taking weeks/months and is not your problem, your life still goes on.

Dear Cynic

My friend moved to the Netherlands a year ago and got an RNI BSN and a job while living in a hostel. Unfortunately she couldn't find permanent housing and had to leave. She now wants to try again but is wondering if she needs to make a new RNI registration or if her old RNI BSN can be "reset" so she has another new 4 months to find permanent housing? Or is the 4 months a one time thing?

Thank you

@Lunakb

Sorry i forgot to mention that she is an EU citizen

Hi and welcome to the Forum.

A BSN is for life; she goes to the Gemeente where she is going to live and registers there using her old BSN number; they will explain any restrictions, I think she will be able to use the 4-month rule in order to find somewhere to live.  My advice is that she asks the Gemeente when she goes to register.

I hope this helps.

Cynic

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